NETBYNET _ _ Talks in English

: sp 11.5.2010, 10:32

Hey people! For a taste of things to come, let me do a brief introduction (consider http://slovari.yandex.ru for translation).

This thread is intended for practicing written English and strengthening your skills, its idea comes from there: http://forum.netbynet.ru/index.php?showtopic=70919). You may talk on any topic whatsoever as long as you abide by the forum rules and moderators' will. You are welcome to bring on any legitimate subject.

Also, I urge you to follow another single rule: please try to keep it solely in English, even when asking for help with grammar or translation, - this additional complication surely will aid your ability to communicate in a real English-only community which we will try to imitate. I can assume a role of your fellow native, just fancy that I never spoke Russian. happy.gif

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All that said, I shall start a simple topic. How about we "meet" each other and exchange some basic info? Here's mine. My name is Aleksey, I'm 21 years old and I'm finishing my 4th year in Moscow Aviation Institute. However, my real major interests lay well aside aviation - IT. I am pretty much self-educated and am going on this way quite nicely, be that IT aforementioned or English or whatever else. Okay, this much should do, now your turn to introduce yourself, please.

Note: if you want me to correct your mistakes - ask away. But don't expect proper explanation, because I possess little knowledge on grammar rules. I talk mostly intuitively by using patterns and phrases I learned. This is the same case as with Russian - my writing is correct, but I don't know the rules, I kinda "feel" how to put it right.

: I_feel_good 11.5.2010, 22:24

Hi All,
I'm not as good in English as my colleague but I think you will forgive me. Whenever you see mistake in my post feel free to correct me. I would be grateful for that.

In the beginning let me introduce myself. I'm 22 and I'm a last year student in Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology. Interesting thing is the fact that my call is programming. I work for a big international company developing soft for telecommunications operators. I really like it despite the fact that in my opinion my salary is not decent enough. My hobby is billiard and I'm fond of watching formula 1 races.

I appreciate spy for starting this thread and hope this idea will develop and our community will grow fast =)

: sp 12.5.2010, 1:04

Nice to see a fellow coder here. I used to head towards a career of programming too, but changed my mind a while ago, now in doubt choosing between enterprise networking and datacenter engineering. Well, I will certainly make up my mind in a year or so. However, still I'm fluent with applied C programming in Unix-like environments. What kind of software (here's a fix - you don't shorten "software" to "soft" in English) do you develop and in what languages?

: Falcon 12.5.2010, 10:01

Hi all!
My name is Eugeny, in depends of you i'm quite old - 27 years. I've finished to study english grammatic in 11 grade, so now it's very bad. But in my experience it's better to speak simple english to avoid any misunderstands, because your opponent also could be not so good in communication.
If we will back to our topic - i have one but important question: how author planning to fix big grammatic problems? I mean if i have a lot of mistakes, it's not easy for you to indicate and fix it. And also there are a lot of ways to show one idea, one conception and it also adds additional questions about correct writing.

: Oin 12.5.2010, 13:56

Hi guys! Another programmer reporting in )

I'm 24 years old, year ago I graduated from Baumansky State Technical University. To be honest I'm not a pure coder, because my specialty is rockets and cannons laugh.gif But I always wanted to be a programmer, since I was good at it in school times. So I studied php by myself, was involved in a few web-projects.
Yet I almost passed first year of postgraduate study as a nuclear physicist, english exam is as soon as at 19th may)
Today I'm coding with C++ in win32 environments. Making some success with it. Frankly I'm engineer and a coder in one of labaratorys of Russian Scientific Space Institute. I like my job and prospect)

P.S. feel free to correct me, I will appreciate it.

: I_feel_good 12.5.2010, 17:17

(sp @ 12.5.2010, 2:04) *
What kind of software (here's a fix - you don't shorten "software" to "soft" in English) do you develop and in what languages?

I'm fond of Java, never think of memory leaks and never feel ashamed for stupid mistakes/miprints as "if (a=0) {//never get here}".
Some time ago I had to write some small module using Python. Had a lot of fun, it has a lot of syntactic sugar but sometomes more than I really need (I mean layout based code interpretation, it's crazy idea).

I think we should wait a little for some new people (probably not from IT crowd and hopefully girls) join us and talk about everyday life issues. Just don't want to scare a rest of people in this forum who wants to join us but got scared or bored with my post =)

: Oin 12.5.2010, 18:32

Well, we aren't bound by IT theme only )
What about recent holiday? What were you guys doing?) I had a trip to Sergiev Posad, my friend was to celebrate her birthday(it is on 9th may) and she invited us there) It was pretty cool, but, for the weather was hot (: D), we spent most of the time in cafe and later in park, sitting on banks) Then we went back to Moscow to watch fireworks) Some people say, that it wasn't that great this year.)
I have few more stories to tell, but that's it for now)

: sp 12.5.2010, 23:08

(Falcon @ 12.5.2010, 11:01) *
how author planning to fix big grammatic problems?
Well, I don't really plan to do so. We better focus on talking, and everyone will be gradually refining their grammar just by reading and writing. Correcting each mistake would be hell, wouldn't it?

(Oin @ 12.5.2010, 19:32) *
What about recent holiday? What were you guys doing?)
Me and my friends broke onto a 16-storey building rooftop and had a good sit there with beer and weed. Although, such time-spending is a routine for me, thus nothing special. Oh, and the fireworks weren't that great indeed.

Good to see this thread working out, guys.

: nes_qq 12.5.2010, 23:17

Hey guys! I don't know english (only from online chats of games), but want say to spy that this thread is very good idea!

: I_feel_good 12.5.2010, 23:34

(Oin @ 12.5.2010, 19:32) *
What about recent holiday? What were you guys doing?)

Especially nothing unusual. Doing my graduate work, listening to reports of 3-rd year students in my university, playing billiard with a friend of mine. Great dinner in the evening and watching fireworks sure. I think firework was good enough.
Anyway I'm glad to see new members of our jolly crowd. Ness_qq, welcome =)

: nes_qq 12.5.2010, 23:58

(I_feel_good @ 13.5.2010, 0:34) *
Anyway I'm glad to see new members of our jolly crowd. Ness_qq, welcome =)

thanks! I like this thread happy.gif

ps: spy or anyone please correct me here pardon.gif

: Falcon 13.5.2010, 9:13

(sp @ 13.5.2010, 0:08) *
Well, I don't really plan to do so. We better focus on talking, and everyone will be gradually refining their grammar just by reading and writing. Correcting each mistake would be hell, wouldn't it?

Of course you`re right. Now everything is clear for me.

(sp @ 13.5.2010, 0:08) *
Oh, and the fireworks weren't that great indeed.

It seems that it was big mistake to miss it. I was in my country house and didn't see and didn't do anything interesting during that holiday.

2 I_feel_good Regarding Formula racing - what do you thing about chances of Petrov and Shumacher during this season?

: I_feel_good 13.5.2010, 10:20

(Falcon @ 13.5.2010, 10:13) *
what do you think about chances of Petrov and Schumacher during this season?

I'm totally amazed by Petrov's perfomance in China and Schumacher's race in Spain but in Monaco the main clue for the victory is qualification. Mercedes should tune their car for better one lap perfomance. Let's see how well they will manage to do it =)
However I think we will see two Red Bull cars at the top well ahead of the rest of peloton. Adrian Newey is a genius.

: coldsky 14.5.2010, 4:57

(nes_qq @ 13.5.2010, 0:17) *
Hey guys! I don't know english (only from online chats of games), but want say to spy that this thread is very good idea!

Good day to everybody. I agree with nes_qq and also think, that talks in English is very good idea. Language I know not very good, thats why sorry for me if I made some mistakes.
Now I'm at the holidays and very glad to good and warm weather - it looks like summer. Behind me there is a bottle of beer and now I think to play Need For Speed. I know: driving a car is prohibited, if you drank alcohol wink.gif - but it's only game. smile.gif

: Falcon 14.5.2010, 12:04

2 coldsky
Hmm... As i can see your post was written about 6 a.m. Quite early for bear or too late - it depends of when to start drink smile.gif Why you are on holiday? Some special schedule of work? Anyway you're lucky one - i'm only dreaming about rest.

: coldsky 14.5.2010, 12:35

(Falcon @ 14.5.2010, 13:04) *
Hmm... As i can see your post was written about 6 a.m. Quite early for bear or too late - it depends of when to start drink smile.gif Why you are on holiday? Some special schedule of work? Anyway you're lucky one - i'm only dreaming about rest.

Maybe too late (I'm not sleep at this night). Besides, I wake up is so late. lazy.gif
Holidays give me at my work - it's my rest, but only for 1 week.
And what about you - why you only dreaming about the rest? Becaming a summer - time for the rest.
I was at my work In bit time at the past. And my boss told to me, that he present at the summer one more week to have fun holidays.

: I_feel_good 14.5.2010, 15:57

Guys, do you read books in English? What kind of books do you prefer? What is your favourite one?
I'm readying http://maxbarry.com/syrup/ at the moment. It is awesome. Author tels the story of a guy whose only dream was to become rich and famous. And he chose Coca-Cola Company to make his dream true. The book is full of jokes. Very funny. I would recomend it to anyone =)

: sp 15.5.2010, 3:40

(nes_qq @ 13.5.2010, 0:17) *
Hey guys! I don't know english (only from online chats of games), but want say to spy that this thread is very good idea!
Frankly, this is my case exactly - I learned English in chatrooms. I figured this one simple rule: the more you talk the more you learn, with little to no regard to your initial skill. That's why I always advise "talk" before everything else. IRC did a great job for me (I had even become a moderator and then a full-blown netadmin after three weeks of talking on an average network - something to show off tongue.gif), so you can follow my steps: learn some more about IRC, learn about different networks, join a few, find interesting channels and talk! I'm dead sure everyone of you will do great at learning English this way if you find an interesting and friendly IRC community and talk there daily.

(I_feel_good @ 14.5.2010, 16:57) *
Guys, do you read books in English?
I only read the whole Harry Potter series in English, plus a rather boring novel I don't even remember which I found on a banket while awaiting boarding in the JFK airport in NYC. I would really love to read more, no matter in what language it be, but I either don't have enough spare time, or fail to get myself interested in whatever I read. All I read is technical documents, lots and lots of them, ranging from Unix manual pages to IBM Redbooks and similar documentary volumes of HP, Sun/Oracle, etc. I'm a tech geek, after all...

I_feel_good, your English is quite good, as I can see. Talk more, polish it!

Oh, I wondered... got any Linux/Unix enthusiasts out there? 'Cause I am so, and I'd be glad to discuss Unix topics in English. Aaaand, how about drugs? Studying and using drugs is among my major hobbies.

Also, guys, I want you to keep this thread going on - help it - talk here. Please pay it as much effort as you can. I'm not always around, and I don't want to be deemed the one "in charge" here, overseering and fueling it. I will try to help and post regularly, but your interest is much more important!

: coldsky 15.5.2010, 4:24

(sp @ 15.5.2010, 4:40) *
...I'd be glad to discuss Unix topics in English.

At this days I was tryed to run Avast under Kubuntu Linux 8.04, enter license number amd antivirus run perfectly well. But, when I make updates vieus databases - Avast was closed. After it I tryed to run using avastgui form command line, from desctop and from terminal - this AV don't want to work. sad.gif
I don't know reason, but think, that the reason is spoiled HDD. FSCK isn't want to run. So, right way - is change HDD. good.gif

: sp 15.5.2010, 10:34

You describe it too vaguely - I can't even tell anything...

Let's go step-by-step:
1. What makes you think the HDD is the problem?
2. Even if so, what's wrong with fsck? What does it output? What exit status does it yield?
3. What filesystem is employed?
4. What happens upon starting avastgui? What does it output, any errors? What's the exit status?

For the rest of our fun, let me fix your mistakes, all of them, and show everyone how tiresome it is:

These days (no "at" when referencing days/months/years + plural form of "this") I tried (past simple tense + trailing "y" becomes "i" before any endings, like "spy/spies/espionage" or "cry/cries") to run Avast under Kubuntu Linux 8.04, entered a (still past simple tense, don't lose it after a comma + you forgot an indefinite article) license key (license number is somewhat different) and the (talking about a certain AV, thus put a definite article) antivirus ran (again, it's in past simple... don't lose track of your current tense!) perfectly well. But (no commas after "but") when I updated virus databases (past simple! + "update" can be a verb itself, so use it that way), (comma here, not a dash) Avast had closed (passive voice was unnecessary, put active voice + past perfect tense, because the update that caused Avast to close has happened earlier in past). After that ("it" refers to something, an entity, you can't use it as a point of time reference, so use "that" instead) I tried to run it / Avast (to run what? - always put an object you're talking about, or it will sound as in you ran yourself, lol) using avastgui from command line, from desktop and from terminal (dude, what's the difference between "from command line" and "from terminal"? ain't that the same thing?) - this AV doesn't ("does" instead of "do" in singular third person - he/she/it) want to work. I don't know a reason, but I (actually you can omit "I" here, but it's not neat and is frowned upon) think (no comma between "think that", surprise surprise, this isn't Russian) that the reason is a broken ("spoiled"? no, wrong word, and you keep losing articles) HDD. FSCK doesn't (aux. verb "is", a form of "be", is used only in progressive tenses, but here is just present simple, thus put "do") want to run. So, the (they say it "the right way" with a definite article, no idea why, just remember it) right way is (here you either put a dash "-" or put "is", but never both) to (the verb "change" here is infinitive, and all infinitives must be preceded by "to") change the (you mentioned this particular HDD before, thus "the" for article) HDD.
Such hell, eh?! That's why I'm not up to correcting and explaining every mistake. Nevertheless, folks, I could rewrite any portion of your posts the right way as above, BUT without commenting mistakes, only highlighting them at most. Ask if you want so.

coldsky, you're a talkative one and you can make yourself clear in English, even with all these mistakes. Stay by, talk more and it will improve your skill. It's not that difficult to make it as fluent as mine, really. I paid quite little effort myself, had only enough time to do it for me.

Bring in more people, folks!

: Oin 16.5.2010, 0:47

Spy, I have to admit your english skill is quite impressive )

(sp @ 15.5.2010, 4:40) *
Frankly, this is my case exactly - I learned English in chatrooms. I figured this one simple rule: the more you talk the more you learn, with little to no regard to your initial skill. That's why I always advise "talk" before everything else. IRC did a great job for me (I had even become a moderator and then a full-blown netadmin after three weeks of talking on an average network - something to show off tongue.gif), so you can follow my steps: learn some more about IRC, learn about different networks, join a few, find interesting channels and talk! I'm dead sure everyone of you will do great at learning English this way if you find an interesting and friendly IRC community and talk there daily.

In some respect you are right, but one shall not forget, that there are lots of people, who make mistakes, often intentionally, like using some sort of "leet" language (if you know what I mean) in chats. So if you try to study english online with some unknown people you better be carefull not to learn too much crap. )

P.S. The other story I was to tell is about biking Moscow ) Last monday I had a ride with my friend. We had a trip from Orekhovo to Moscow center, had a really great time) It was hard for me, 'cos basily it was my first time))

: sp 16.5.2010, 5:02

(Oin @ 16.5.2010, 1:47) *
Spy, I have to admit your english skill is quite impressive )
Thank you! I'm doing my best.

(Oin @ 16.5.2010, 1:47) *
In some respect you are right, but one shall not forget, that there are lots of people, who make mistakes, often intentionally, like using some sort of "leet" language (if you know what I mean) in chats. So if you try to study english online with some unknown people you better be carefull not to learn too much crap. )
Yeah, it happens, but it's not a problem at all for a person with common sense. For example, one would acknowledge "preved", but wouldn't use it in their speech according to their sense of what's appropriate. We are young adults after all, and teenagers no more, so we tend to care for our manners a bit more now, don't we?

(Oin @ 16.5.2010, 1:47) *
P.S. The other story I was to tell is about biking Moscow ) Last monday I had a ride with my friend. We had a trip from Orekhovo to Moscow center, had a really great time) It was hard for me, 'cos basily it was my first time))
Bike as in MTB or motorcycle?

: Oin 16.5.2010, 9:44

(sp @ 16.5.2010, 6:02) *
Yeah, it happens, but it's not a problem at all for a person with common sense. For example, one would acknowledge "preved", but wouldn't use it in their speech according to their sense of what's appropriate. We are young adults after all, and teenagers no more, so we tend to care for our manners a bit more now, don't we?

Hmmm, that's not quite what I ment. In case of "preved", you do know your language, you do know how to say it right, and you have a choice to speak "padonkafsky" or to speak normal common language. And when you attemting to learn foreign language, you might not be able to see the difference between for example "what's up" and "wussup", some people do not even know, that this is the same thing. So yeah, basic english knowledge should help in distinguishing what's right, but still that's a sharp edge. Anyway, I do not say - stop trying to learn english with online chats, just be carefull doing so)

(sp @ 16.5.2010, 6:02) *
Bike as in MTB or motorcycle?

Mountain Bike)

: sp 20.5.2010, 7:36

(Oin @ 16.5.2010, 10:44) *
Mountain Bike)
That's MTB, you know. Cool. Do you plan to ride any extreme discipline like dirt, street or freeride, or just ride "normally"? As a former BMX dirt jumper myself, I can't imagine riding MTB any way other than extreme. I really love dirt jumping, and am considering buying (assembling from separately bought components) a simple hardtail for it and come back to extreme sports. And, for plans for more distant future, get myself an expensive full suspension bike (with a frame from Intense, Brooklyn Machine Works or maybe Nicolai) fly over to mountains once or twice a year and go downhill, freeride and north shore. It was an amazing dream from my teenage BMX time, now to become quite an achievable goal.

Note for everyone
Having such a skill in English, I am willing to help anyone with real time talking in my own spare time. If you want to chat in English, then you are welcome to go ICQ or Jabber with me. UIN 345164395, JID rohypnol@jabber.org. Feel free to add me. smile.gif

: Oin 21.5.2010, 14:25

(sp @ 20.5.2010, 8:36) *
(Oin @ 16.5.2010, 10:44) *
Mountain Bike)
That's MTB, you know.

Yeah, I know)
(sp @ 20.5.2010, 8:36) *
Cool. Do you plan to ride any extreme discipline like dirt, street or freeride, or just ride "normally"? As a former BMX dirt jumper myself, I can't imagine riding MTB any way other than extreme. I really love dirt jumping, and am considering buying (assembling from separately bought components) a simple hardtail for it and come back to extreme sports. And, for plans for more distant future, get myself an expensive full suspension bike (with a frame from Intense, Brooklyn Machine Works or maybe Nicolai) fly over to mountains once or twice a year and go downhill, freeride and north shore. It was an amazing dream from my teenage BMX time, now to become quite an achievable goal.

No, I'm more like "normal" traveler rider) I'm not very good at extreme sports, though I like to watch people making various extreme stuff. I even would try by myself, but as an exception. Generally I like to simply ride across the city, watch around, make some picnick-like stops)

BTW, at last I passed english exam, got A)

: spy 29.5.2010, 3:20

Meh, too bad this thread didn't go as good as I wanted. Guess I should pay more attention from now on and try to revive it.

(Oin @ 21.5.2010, 15:25) *
No, I'm more like "normal" traveler rider) I'm not very good at extreme sports, though I like to watch people making various extreme stuff. I even would try by myself, but as an exception. Generally I like to simply ride across the city, watch around, make some picnick-like stops)
I think this is how it will be for me too should I come back to riding, disregarding whatever I wrote above. With all due respect to extreme sports, I don't think I will be doing it again, for I have enough risk in my life.

C'mon guys, there are many things we can talk about. Sports, computers, lifestyle, music, drink, girls (!) and whatever else you come up with.

: Sutter_Cane 29.5.2010, 4:17

morning.
i read all this thread,but write is nothing... cock it know-)

: spy 29.5.2010, 13:52

You could try at least.

: Oin 11.6.2010, 14:51

lol. "Cock it know" at first confused me, but after literal translation it made me laugh)

I had few crazy weeks, so I kinda forgot about this thread. It is sad, that almost no new posts were written here, and single new person, who attemt to write here have nothing to say.

Does anybody know any fitness clubs in Orechovo, were I can visit Gym with coaching? Or maybe not in Orechovo exactly, but any net-Gyms with professianal people and fair prices?

Let's talk about girls))

: Falcon 11.6.2010, 15:11

2 Oin
Explain me pls "Cock it know" - for me it's not co clear in literal meaning smile.gif
Regarding Gym - there is only one more or less normal club - Vympel. It placed at the end of Kashirska near building 148. Of course if we are speaking about big club with coaches.

: 11.6.2010, 15:27

Explain me pls "Cock it know"

I think, it means "prick knows it" biggrin.gif...if i am not mistaken...

: Oin 11.6.2010, 15:32

More like "Dick knows it" or "Penis knows it" ))
@Falcon, yeah that what I ment, thanx)

: Slevin_Kelevra 11.6.2010, 15:36

russian obscene expression at English style biggrin.gif

: 24.6.2010, 14:47

Hi guys,

let's not speak about girls because there is one here now. Let me introduce myself:

I'm Tanya, I am 18 years old and study at Moscow State Linguistic University. I will become a sociologist, oh yeah =) I also study English and German, like travelling, reading so much and of course I like watching movies - I have seen many many of them.

I am having exams now and finishing my 2 term.

About books: I read several books in English, for example, Alice in Wonderland, something by Jane Osten, Steven King and others. I really tried to read Harry Potter but it was too difficult for me cause her language... is awful, something like Lev Tolstoy with his eternal retreats if you understand me.

So... How are you, guys?

: I_feel_good 27.6.2010, 0:53

( @ 24.6.2010, 15:47) *
So... How are you, guys?

Hi, Tanya!
Welcome to our small and cosy thread =)

Guys, Tanya, let me share my joy with you. Next week I'm going to New Zealand as a support software engineer lead. It's a greate opportunity to practice my written (lots of emails) and spoken English because nobody speaks Russian there =). I can't believe this is true, it's awesome.

Tanya, you've said you are fond of travelling. What country do you like the most and why?

Guys, your thoughts about the country of your choice are welcome too.

: SlyFoxy 27.6.2010, 15:25

Heya everybody. I'm thinking, that it's good idea, but i badly speak eng.

But i can say any words about myself....

I'm Sly or Foxy, dont use real name, 22 years old. I'm furry male fox.

I like english language and Canada :-P

: Scaramouche 27.6.2010, 22:23

Companions, can go to you on foreign forums and there comprehend culture of language together with local natives?

: kerk 3.8.2010, 23:19

Let me try...
Hello! My name is Vladimir! I was born in 1975 in the USSR.
London is the capital of Great...... oooooooooooopppppps. thats enough smile.gif


so have anyone any minds when it will be more comfortable ( I mean weather )
38 degrees it's so much. I'm hiding

: spy 9.8.2010, 1:14

I think it should get somewhat better (around 30 degrees Celsius) in a week or two.

so have anyone any minds when it will be more comfortable ( I mean weather )
Let me fix a bunch of mistakes for you, so that you can learn from them. This is how you should've written that question: "So, does anyone have any ideas about when [...]?" What you meant there is either "idea" or "thought", but certainly not "mind". As a noun, "mind" means "".

(SlyFoxy @ 27.6.2010, 16:25) *
I'm furry male fox.
Brutal!

: SlyFoxy 10.8.2010, 0:17

(spy @ 1.1.1731, 0:0) *
Brutal!

Why? Maybe u not understand me ? Cuze , Furry is a subculture.
Furry is anthro animals :-P

: BasicXP 10.8.2010, 17:03

Hello everyone!

Let me introduce myself. My name is Roman, on the net I'm often known as https://launchpad.net/~basicxp. I'm 14 years old, currently studying at school, grade nine. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership since april 2010, which means that I contribute to Ubuntu operating system, in this case mostly by transalting the GUI. My hobby - computers and high technologies. As for languages, I know Russian, English, French and Swedish.

Nice to meet you all! hi.gif

: Oin 10.8.2010, 17:24

Impressive list of languages! How did you get to learn them all at such a young age? Geez, I'm speaking like I'm over 60 biggrin.gif

: BasicXP 10.8.2010, 17:41

Thank you, Oln! smile.gif It happened so that I started learning languages when I was four, at the kindergarten. Then I learned Russian (my native language) and some English. After than I went to the courses to continue studying it. Now I'm at Upper-Intermidiate level, although I forgot a lot since then. French - I'm still learning it at school, don't remember it at all now, it has been 2 months without repeating it. And finally Swedish - that's actually a long story, but in short - I've been living there for half a year.

: SlyFoxy 11.8.2010, 0:53

O_O I don't believe my eyes O_o ... BasicXP, ur English so nice! It's good ...
I envy you.... I need get any lesson from u

: BasicXP 11.8.2010, 9:27

Thank you Sly! smile.gif

: kerk 12.8.2010, 9:57

so have anyone any minds when it will be more comfortable ( I mean weather )
Let me fix a bunch of mistakes for you, so that you can learn from them. This is how you should've written that question: "So, does anyone have any ideas about when [...]?" What you meant there is either "idea" or "thought", but certainly not "mind". As a noun, "mind" means "".


thank you.

about "mind".
another meaning of the word

"", " ( " ")

but, thanks again. smile.gif
I hope after all exercises, my language skill will grow up smile.gif

: Oin 12.8.2010, 11:04

So, if you don't mind I'd like to write few words about what's happening now around me etc. Just to give an example and maybe someone would catch my talk.)

Last weekend I spent in St.Petersburg, It was really nice there, cos there were no smoke, and the temperature was not that hot as in Moscow. We were even joking, that it's coldy there, only 30 degrees))) Yet humidity() there is higher. We lived at owners apartment with my friend almost near Isaakievsky cathedral. All holidays we spent in different parks, sitting on a banks, drinking water, talking about different stuff and breathing pure air (as much as it can be pure in the city town)). At the saturday evening, we had a water ride under leaf bridges, that was awesome! Also we had an excursion in Yusupov's palace.

And yet I'm sitting on my work, wandering what to do except for doing what I have to)) Good thing we have air conditioner, so It's pretty comfortable here)

: 14.8.2010, 11:23

hey bros thats nerdy as balls lol

: Oin 16.8.2010, 10:58

Hey, Elenar, whats up?) Long time no see. How are you? What's new in life?

: Sovnok 23.9.2010, 11:36

Hello to everybody! I am very glad to find this topic in the forum, because i began to fill that every day my english skills go from bad to worse. And to say the truth I tried to find people who would like to practice oral english skills (fo free!), but written practice are really very important too!

And some words about myself: my name is Natalya, I am working in the bank`s sphere (to be more precise in foreign bank) and I am really like my job very much, but unfortunately I don`t use enlish language in my work in the volume as I would like.

So I hope that here I could get a few practice in language.

If you know the title of useful sites or forums, or if you often have meetings in english with your friends (or practice english other ways), please say some words about that here!

Thank you!

: Oin 25.9.2010, 11:39

Hi there)) Nice to see new people here, but as you already noticed this topic not that popular (

The best way to practice english is to communicate with people who speak it as their first language. Of course chatting with someone like us is better that nothing, but if you want serious practice, I belive you should get yourself a foreign friend)
As for me, I wathc TV shows, and movies in english. Right now I have guest from US, who doesn't speak russian, so I have to speak english only. I must say, sometimes it's pretty hard, though I'd say I can write english pretty decent.

Anyway, sometimes I get a thought that we should make an english speaking meetings)

: Kingston 15.10.2010, 15:39

hi all
http://translate.google.com/#auto|en|%D0%BF%D1%83%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%20%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%BB%20%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B9%20%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B5

Why Mazda?
becouse "" it viburnum...
why it so?...maybe its pun?...or any thing bug translate?
and why "Mazda" start big letter?

: BasicXP 15.10.2010, 15:49

Google Translate is based on user suggestions. Someone said that a is a Mazda smile.gif

: GrandSpain 17.10.2010, 20:54

http://forum.netbynet.ru/index.php?showtopic=151159

Sorry for Russian. Welcome to join my topic "http://forum.netbynet.ru/index.php?showtopic=151159"

: Stripwalker 5.1.2011, 6:00

Wow! Passing through this topic I was thinking that most of commentators here are progers, coders or so (concerned to IT) smile.gif
Will you object to me if I'm not IT?)) Emmm... some years ago I was working as 1C-administrator, but in fact it was mostly like help-desk: switching on/off CapsLock or keaboard layout, installing different soft, etc. So I'm a "advanced user", and I had Mandriva at my home PC for some time))) but I'm not IT, whatever.))

My name is Kate, I'm 24, and I graduated from MSU in 2009. My speciality there was social management, especially in context of youth. Now I'm working as engineer in supply-office. It's not that work that I dreamed about, and of course not the way I learned to in my university. But it's our life =)

I hope that topic's not dead yet, 'cause I think it's quite useful)

: BasicXP 5.1.2011, 13:29

Nice to meet you, Kate! smile.gif

: MaxBlack 5.1.2011, 15:46

Hi Kate)) Nice to see someone new here, writing more than just few words)

How did you get here? I mean, I haven't noticed you on this forum before) Where did you learned english, It seems, you have pretty good level)) I'm not into IT that much either) I use my PC primarily for Internet, job and entertainment. I haven't even installed any Unix OS on my PC ever))
What are you hobbies, do you ride bike, ski, or snowboard, or maybe you like to draw/paint, do you collect something?)) How did you spent this holidays?) You might wanna ask something about us))

: Stripwalker 5.1.2011, 17:51

Ugh, how many questions) "Let mortal kombat begin!" ©
[I know that the copywright sign posts as Alt+0169, but it needs to have numpade on your keaboard, and I'm here from my notebook. Don't want to google for such a trifle]

(MaxBlack @ 5.1.2011, 15:46) *
Nice to see someone new here, writing more than just few words)

Thanx for that)) But when I was reading first page of this topic, I was quite scared... I think that you guys are cool, especially in English)) So that, my morning post in this thread is really "few words" - in comparison with posters on the first page)))
(MaxBlack @ 5.1.2011, 15:46) *
How did you get here? I mean, I haven't noticed you on this forum before)

Well, some days ago I had heard wonderful news about a deal between Prov.Ru and NetByNet - so that, soon we will be users of NBN, not prov.ru) In order to feel confident about myself, I decided to learn more about my new ISP, - that's why I'm here)
(MaxBlack @ 5.1.2011, 15:46) *
Where did you learned english, It seems, you have pretty good level))

Thanx) This history is quite long, I study English from 5 years old (The European School of Correspondent Training, or as it's famous between Russians, ). Then I had 7 years of English in school - I was in english-advanced class, we had English lessons 6 days a week. Then I had English for 3 years in university) but that was "sociological" English - I mean, primary sociological lexicon. Grammar was suggested to be passed in school)
And for some time after graduating from university I study on English courses of The Ministry for Foreign Affairs (or Russian ). It's last level left already. "Advanced Spoken English", or so smile.gif
(MaxBlack @ 5.1.2011, 15:46) *
What are you hobbies, do you ride bike, ski, or snowboard, or maybe you like to draw/paint, do you collect something?))

Well... I rode bike when I was 13-15 very well) I could win everybody who wanted to compete me) but that was sooo long ago) Now I haven't much time for active sport hobbies.((
So I'm not a drawer too... I cannot draw well)) I think I'd better never do that)))) 'cause it's more fun that beautiful)))
About collecting... If I were my mom, I would have said that her daughter collects dust on shelves, that's all) When I was a child, I collected candy wrappers... when I growed up, I become interested in other things - school, university, job... ehhh(
I can just say that I like reading. And playing computer games))
(MaxBlack @ 5.1.2011, 15:46) *
How did you spent this holidays?)

I'm spending it in alcohol, computer, friends, etc.))) Like most of us, I guess ;-)

Ugh, it seems to me that I didn't forget to answer on all your questions))
And what about you, guys?
Max, I'd read in this topic that you like to ride with friends? Did you ride somewhere in these holidays?
BasicXP - hi, Roman! So young, and so clever... Some kind of... wunderkind?) So how was in Sweden? I've never been there.

: BasicXP 5.1.2011, 18:49

Stripwalker,

I'm no wunderkind smile.gif It just happened so that I started to learn English when I was 4. Sweden is great, I advise you to visit it someday.

: MaxBlack 5.1.2011, 19:46

(Stripwalker @ 5.1.2011, 17:51) *
Well... I rode bike when I was 13-15 very well) I could win everybody who wanted to compete me) but that was sooo long ago) Now I haven't much time for active sport hobbies.((
So I'm not a drawer too... I cannot draw well)) I think I'd better never do that)))) 'cause it's more fun that beautiful)))
About collecting... If I were my mom, I would have said that her daughter collects dust on shelves, that's all) When I was a child, I collected candy wrappers... when I growed up, I become interested in other things - school, university, job... ehhh(
I can just say that I like reading. And playing computer games)))

Well, the hobbies I wrote were more like an example(and some of the things I like) )) So you like to read and game, ok) I like PC and console games too)

(Stripwalker @ 5.1.2011, 17:51) *
Max, I'd read in this topic that you like to ride with friends? Did you ride somewhere in these holidays?

No, all of my friends are drinking))) Yet, next weekend we possibly will go ride snowboards)) If get dry of course))

: Stripwalker 5.1.2011, 21:00

(BasicXP @ 5.1.2011, 18:49) *
Sweden is great, I advise you to visit it someday.

Well, maybe someday... Mmm, I've visited some countries in my life. Of course, resort-countries like Egypt and Turkey (I don't count Ukraine - I think most of us have been there one time). In 1997 I've been to Canarian Islands, my parents won this trip at lottery, It was wonderful! It was my first trip abroad. We've been at Tenerife Island. I've such a great impressions about this trip...
In 1999 I've been to Hungary. My parents and I rode there... on car. Almost 3 days riding. We've lived near Balaton lake, Shiofok village. We've walking around Budapest, and it was so great))
When I was working in tourist agency, I'd a chance to trip in some kind of advertizing round - managers travel around some countries, visit sights, hotels etc. - in order to declamate about all this things to their potentional clients. I was lucky to visit Netherlands (Holland), Belgium and France. It was awesome))) for that I've been there without parents or any parent person - all alone))))
Maybe whenever I would be able to visit something else. But now I limit myself by visiting only St.Petersburg, Volgograd, Perm, or resort-cities of our country (like Sochi).

(MaxBlack @ 5.1.2011, 19:46) *
Well, the hobbies I wrote were more like an example(and some of the things I like) )) So you like to read and game, ok) I like PC and console games too)

What games do you play? What wrighters do you like? What kind of books do you like? Genre?))
I liked to play games when my little brother wanted me to do it) From childhood I liked Dendy - we played it with my brother. Then some cool games on PC - DOOM, Quake, Lost Vikings, etc. Many, many good games.
When I'm single, I prefer playing MMORPG - but i've passed trough the time of addict, now I'm playing it quite seldom and for fun mostly.
And speaking about reading... I don't have much time for it now. But at school-time I've read many classic wrighters, ex. Duma, Gugo, O.Henry, Oscar Wild, Mark Twen, Stendal, - many, many, many... all classical European and American (and not only them) wrighters. Now I read mostly detectives or thrillers by Steven King)

: MaxBlack 5.1.2011, 23:55

(Stripwalker @ 5.1.2011, 21:00) *
In 1999 I've been to Hungary. My parents and I rode there... on car. Almost 3 days riding. We've lived near Balaton lake, Shiofok village. We've walking around Budapest, and it was so great))
I was on vacation in Shiofok 5 or 6 years ago))) We had time there with my best friend)

(Stripwalker @ 5.1.2011, 21:00) *
What games do you play? What wrighters do you like? What kind of books do you like? Genre?))
I like all kind of games exept for sport sims maybe. Not addicted aswell, but sometimes I game with great pleasure)) Last time I played MMO was about 4 years ago and it was Lineage 2 )
I do not read that much, but sometimes it gets me) In december I read 7 books, and before it I havent read anything for about a year or so) Mostly I prefere fantasy and sci-fi) Less classics. I belive I have no favourite book, but one of the best I've ever read was "Ved'mak" by Sapkovsky)

: Zerr 9.1.2011, 14:04

Hi all
I'm Maxim and I'm alcoholic wink.gif
Glad to see everone here. It was hard to wrote something in this thread.
My English isn't good and I probably willn't get more than 3 points in exam like IELTS.
But I wasn't discouraged and continue to learn English.

: start_up 29.1.2011, 14:07

hi

i see the topic is out of interest among netbynet forum users. so i would like to toss a little info to keep the topic alive.

a lot of russian people think they never ever need english. they go to nowhere.

so for those who go to nowhere and for those who do not want to go with them, these video lessons in english which describe about words come from. the lessons are presented by a cute russian girl Marina Orlova.

what she tells about herself: "My name is Marina Orlova and I am a philologist (one who studies linguistics and etymology). I love to discuss the origins of words."

a word nickname comes from video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofw0AuYwWqk&feature=channel

a word car comes from and about her first car moskvich 412 video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ6LCq6ttjQ

her channel hotforwords on youtube http://www.youtube.com/user/hotforwords#g/u

nice, isnt it?

write, talk and communicate in english. do not be shy.

: spy 6.2.2011, 2:34

Yeah, English is rather underestimated by russians.

Personally I would like English to become as much more incorporated into our daily life as possible, giving people a real rationale for learning it, and it indeed is happening to some extent—from time to time I notice English words, names and other elements gaining increasing use within our social environment. And naturally I meet more and more people capable of speaking rather fluently, even though a truly decent speaker is still rare to encounter.

Please remember: the best way to learn a language is to use it, no matter what kind of language that is (spoken or, say, programming one.) Having some basis from school, I advanced to this level of knowledge in several months literally, simply by spending a lot of time in an English IRC chatroom. So if you're looking for an express” English course, then find an Internet chatroom full of native speakers and try talking, do it the way you can, don't be shy to make mistakes (you always can excuse yourself, if you want.) And pay attention to what people say and how they do it—your visual memory will do you a big favor of remembering common words and phrases. Learn not only from books, but from knowledgeable people. And I assure you that really soon you'll find yourself making improvements (remembering words you never even tried to memorize, etc.) Chatrooms is a perfect choice, albeit requiring some basic knowledge, but that's what school English education is for.

I'm sad to find this topic not doing too well. Even at this rate of speaking, it is still profitable for everyone, so please feel free to throw the shyness away, if any, and engage in a conversation on whatever topic you see fit. All in all, this thread exists to help people, and it is foolish of you to miss such a good opportunity to boost your skill.

: start_up 9.2.2011, 0:40

(spy @ 6.2.2011, 2:34) *
Yeah, English is rather underestimated by russians, to no avail.

Personally I would like English to become as much more incorporated into our daily life as possible,


spy

. let`s talk about. why do we need it for in our daily life? to read t-shirt tags in the store?
i guess it is a free discussion. so everybody invited.

p.s.

for those who is still shy. this https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/united-states-english-spellche/ will help you out.
and your homew smile.gif rk. watch the music movie clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6qtKForu2I

: MaxBlack 10.2.2011, 14:52

(spy @ 6.2.2011, 2:34) *
Chatrooms is a perfect choice, albeit requiring some basic knowledge, but that's what school English education is for.

Agreed. Still, if you want not only understand and write, but to speak, you need to speak. Cos even if your online chat skills are mad so to say, that doesn't mean you can speak in real life that fluently. But for vocabulary, for reading and writing chats are good. Ofcourse chatroom better include people, who speak correct english, not some CS kid-players, and 1337-fags, if you know what I mean.

So, ok, why do we need english in your daily life? I guess It is yet not that necessary for older people, and for people who don't have opprotunistic inspirations in their life, who live in apartment, have job of life etc. But if you are young, if you like to travel, knowing english eases your life in every aspect! You can speak it in any country you travel, cos english is the most widespread language in the world! You can watch movies with original sound track, you can read signes and newspapers in english (sometimes it is funny to fool people around, they instantly think you are a foreign). Knowing english it is much easier to find job!
Not to mention that if you know any foreign languge you automatically grow up in surrounding people estimations!

: kerk 15.2.2011, 15:43

OHRENET sad.gifsad.gifsad.gif

I used to think I know English.

: coldsky 26.5.2011, 17:57

(kerk @ 15.2.2011, 16:43) *
I used to think I know English.

I think, that nobody from Russian people know English on 100%. smile.gif We can't know English better, than people, who talks on it from the born.

: DangerousCat 27.5.2011, 17:03

(coldsky @ 26.5.2011, 18:57) *
(kerk @ 15.2.2011, 16:43) *
I used to think I know English.

I think, that nobody from Russian people know English on 100%. smile.gif We can't know English better, than people, who talks on it from the born.

I doubt...

: 2011 18.9.2011, 18:32

(DangerousCat @ 27.5.2011, 18:03) *
(coldsky @ 26.5.2011, 18:57) *
(kerk @ 15.2.2011, 16:43) *
I used to think I know English.

I think, that nobody from Russian people know English on 100%. smile.gif We can't know English better, than people, who talks on it from the born.

I doubt...

In America nobody knows english an excellent smile.gif

: Yod_Zelyonkov 18.9.2011, 20:57

(BasicXP @ 15.10.2010, 16:49) *
Google Translate is based on user suggestions. Someone said that a is a Mazda smile.gif

common! google better us knows, kalina - is not a trademark, lada is not a car biggrin.gif

(kerk @ 15.2.2011, 16:43) *
OHRENET sad.gifsad.gifsad.gif

I used to think I know English.

u used to think u think english - this is knowledge by default. rolleyes.gif

: spy 4.12.2011, 23:32

(coldsky @ 26.5.2011, 18:57) *
I think, that nobody from Russian people know English on 100%. smile.gif We can't know English better, than people, who talks on it from the born.
I shall object. Every fully sentient human being possesses roughly the same capacity for any spoken language whatsoever, regardless of their social or cultural heritage and circumstances. Showing off aside, I've been told many times by my american friends that my English skill is somewhat superior to one of an average american. I mastered it up to the point where the only difference between me and native speakers essentially narrows down to our vocabularies. That's it, your vocabulary becomes the sole thing lining you up upon surpassing the upper intermediate level. Thus working it out brings you to the level of native speakers, you only ought to keep speaking lest you forget anything. By the way, all of the commas you put in the quoted message are wrong, leave other mistakes alone. Both sentences should be written with no commas.

Ever since I gradually grew into an eloquent and full-featured instance of sociopathy, I abolished nearly all communications with old IRC friends. So in order to maintain my English ability I learned to think in English and worked it into a strong bound habit — it does the trick, and does just as good! You guys should try it too, of course. It is fun, and once it becomes a habit of its own, it will go off automatically with little to no mental effort from your part. A perfect excercise of a kind. You would usually want to start with looking around and naming whatever you see.

(kerk @ 15.2.2011, 16:43) *
I used to think I knEw English.
You were obviously mistaken.

(Yod_Zelyonkov @ 18.9.2011, 21:57) *
google better us knows
You can't put it like this. The right phrasing would be: Google knows better than us.

: sunmoon 5.12.2011, 1:15

my knowledge of english is not bad enough so i can communicate, read manuals and even watch movies
but my vocabulary is so poor((( and grammar knowledge is worse than it should be((
tnx for the google translator plug-in and to grammar corrector in opera browser.

may be i should work hard to enlarge my lexicon etc, but i don't think that is the best way to spend time. foreigns who want to work and to communicate with me - they would not use such sophisticated manner to explain themselves as does spy)) or they would offer me a translator

english is an international language but may be we should develop our own culture and society and there will be no need to master foreign languages up to the highest points? (today it is english, tomorrow it may be arabian or spanish or any other )
yeah it is so cool when you can go to the u.s. and get a good job but U can do the same things here in your own country.
but anyway - the process of studying is very good for the brain so i will keep going)

: spy 5.12.2011, 12:29

Knock off the underestimation. To tell you the least, being able to watch movies proves a rather high level of English knowledge. And so does your actual speech right up there.

: sunmoon 11.12.2011, 0:53

honestly in most cases i have to use english subtitles. and when i found new word i translate it and note somewhere, trying to remember the meaning
as a result there's a huge list of new words, it looks like nearly impossible to pick up all of them, but on the other side mind is unbounded, so...

: spy 11.12.2011, 2:12

I do exactly the same maintain a list of newly learnt words. Read the list, say, on a weekly basis, and you'll eventually memorize it whole.

: Mercilaud 9.9.2013, 19:11

Recommend, please, a modern English book. Thanks.

: spy 4.10.2013, 13:38

What exactly do you mean by English book: fiction written in English or an English textbook? I have no idea for the latter, but as for fictionthere is plenty: go pick any book from your nearest bookstoreit would work just as fine as following someones tip (given the vagueness of your inquiry.)

: Mercilaud 4.10.2013, 18:37

I mean books with dialogs, I'll try to learn English this way.
Any genre of book, except science fiction and fantasy.

: spy 5.10.2013, 3:57

As I said, pick any fiction from your nearest bookstore. As simple as that.

: Mercilaud 5.10.2013, 20:28

(spy @ 5.10.2013, 4:57) *
As I said, pick any fiction from your nearest bookstore. As simple as that.

I would like interesting book, not any, could you recommend something?

: Portishad 5.10.2013, 21:37

Start with the light classics - Alice in Wonderland.
Or...you can try to read a very interesting "Atlas Shrugged" laugh.gif ...and die.

: _FeodoR_ 6.10.2013, 9:34

Hi all! My name is Feodor, I'm 31 years old and I'm alcoholic trying to recover my level of English experience.
Sad, but for many years I have a lack of practice... Maybe this thread will help a little. biggrin.gif

: spy 6.10.2013, 9:43

Portishad
Hahaha yeah! Dying is the very best thing a proponent of Ayn Rands objectivism could do for the benefit of mankind.

Mercilaud
How about George Orwells ”Nineteen Eighty-Four” (”1984”)? Or maybe Aldous Huxleys ”Brave New World”? How do you generally feel about the likes of dystopian future-themed novels? Try them, if you havent so far, and you may discover yourself a new curious genre to explore.

_FeodoR_
Hi there and welcome. Though dont expect this topic to be a lively conversation—on the contrary, it is rarely seen even as barely active as it is right now. If you want to talk in English on a regular basis, then you should go to any of the largest IRC networks (EFnet, DALnet, Undernet, etc.) and find a channel to your liking. For instance, I use to linger in channels dedicated to IRIX, HP-UX, and Solaris operating systems on the freenode IRC network and sometimes find myself in various interesting banters. So think of what youd like to talk about and look for an IRC channel dedicated to your topic of interest.

: Mercilaud 6.10.2013, 12:02

Atlas Shrugged, Brave New World, 1984 ...
An unutopian delirium... Thanks, It,s OK, but no now.
Well, I'll try Arthur Hailey for beginning.

: Portishad 6.10.2013, 14:15

Well, I'll try Arthur Hailey for beginning.

Recently,I read(russian) it "Strong medicine"...a great book.


Miracle drugs save lives and ease suffering, but for profit-motivated companies, the miracle is the money they generate.at any cost. Billions of dollars in profits will make men and women do many things-lie, cheat, even kill. now one beautiful woman will be caught in the cross fire between ethics and profits. As Celia Jordan's fast-track career sweeps her into the highest circles of an international drug company, she begins to discover the sins and secrets hidden in the research lab.and in the marketplace. Now the company's powerful new drug promises a breakthrough in treating a deadly disease. But Celia Jordan knows it may deliver a nightmare.

: SetTom 23.11.2014, 17:17

This topic is dead?

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